Do my eyes deceive me? Look all those happy people; this must be a great place! Good point as far as it goes. So grateful others are addressing these serious problems that plague Christendom. Returning so soon to the limelight reinforces the idea that it really is all about Mark. Yes, Lord, he answered. Mark was talking about Mark. (?) Three women have now blown the whistle on a program operated by the Ministry, including allegations they entered as independent people, however came out of the program as broken and suicidal. To tell, perhaps? Totally. I respectfully dissent, Evangelical NIH director Francis Collins says 'most churches' should be remote until public is vaccinated. I never saw it tried in a church setting, but something like that was tried where I worked. As much as I distrust Acts29 and the YRR, and as much as many see Matt Chandlers action as mere damage control, at least he admitted that they screwed up, and there is still hope that he really meant it and that they will really act differently in the future because theyve learned something. It is like anyone else that works hard to build something. I have heard Driscoll in person.. I really do believe that Driscoll has sociopathic tendencies. If the congregation, the pew sitter as you say, cannot do it what does that leave? (Those wounded by MD) must forgive even if (MD) never admits wrong. This is off topic but your question has been the basis of discussion with many associates for the last 6 months, many recently leaving an authoritarian church. what would you say and do (if they stoned you) angry mob is murdering him openly publicly and shamefully. Pastor John Lindell mentioned that Mark and Grace founded Mars Hill Church eighteen years ago. But one morning as I sat at my desk in y basement office, I looked up at my little bulletin board. In 2010, Outreach magazine listed James River as one of the fastest-growing churches in America. CCHD encourages individuals who were present at the high-capacity event over the weekend to monitor for symptoms of COVID-19 for 14-days from the event date and seek medical attention if symptoms develop., Church officials defended themselves in a statement issued to KYTV-KSPR, noting that despite what the images show, we take seriously the safety and health of those who attend our services.. Because for me, it is the center of the practice of Christianity, and I had missed it. But that does not restore the trust in the relationship, and trust is the blood of good relationships. How can a reasonable person look past that? This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. @ Lydia: "But we can speak and encourage people to vote in terms of the morality of the issue.". This weekend GW is also doing Steven Furtick spontaneous baptism which are executed to the letter like Elevation. I suppose they could have been made up, although the accounts are supported by numerous descriptions of his pig like behavior. Tom Lane already draws a massive six figure salary yet it is never enough. They secretly instigated men who said here come the false charges. And so on. But it would be encouraging if they did. The bathrooms were tiny and not particularly nice. "And how many knownot everything you read on the internet is true". In case this was not a rhetorical question, Just volunteers. In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. sometimes i have hurt people because i have gotten caught up in the excitement of a new orginazation or enterprise but i have never been able to stay that way long, my conscience pricks me until i stop and go back and make things right with people i have hurt. Mega-church Christianity with its rock bands, light shows, huge screens, and glitz reminds me more of Broadway than a church. For more information about James River Church and to get connected, click the link below! their ministry grew and even people that werent christians were thankful for them. So far I define church as more what it isnt rather than what it is. And he actually dismissed several of them as how Sissies or men who wear product in their hair act. I see him as a conference speaker on a different circuit. How much do James River Church employees make? Unfortunately I dont see loose associations of Christ followers functioning in my locale but I continually find more dones, those done with institutional church. Church buildings do not equal Jesus Christ. Their statements to Karen Hinkley and everyone else may be complete cynical BS to pull the wool over everyones eyes, or at least those of their pewsitters. Posted by NancyAlcorn at 1:06 PM 2 comments. They want him to go away and they want to pretend he never existed for the sake of saving those church plants. He dropped the moral bar for both pulpit and pew that has far reaching consequences on the way we do church. 15 But the Lord said to Ananias, Go! It is all choreographed and it works! When not enough graduates came forward they started begging people please any graduate or relative of a graduate, even if you just graduated from Kindergarten, please please come get your free gift because what Kindergartner doesnt need advice on how to buy a car? Even in the Roman Catholic Church, the obvious structure does not prevent sin or other problems, so I dont think it is a matter either of too much or not enough structure making us fall short of perfection. The question is not, Can he be forgiven? but rather Should he be trusted in a position of power over peoples lives? I would guess that many of the people who have been directly harmed by him have forgiven him. Those who challenged him were openly chastised, disgracefully removed from membership and/or shunned until the organization he created finally said enough is enough and sent him packing (however, with a nice severance package). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle, https://musingsfromunderthebus.wordpress.com/, https://musingsfromunderthebus.wordpress.com/2015/02/13/mars-hill-church-true-religion-does-not-abandon-orphans-and-widows-in-their-distress/, http://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/answers/jewish-polemics/texts/christian-proof-texting/, http://godsbreath.net/2007/11/07/qualifications-for-pastors/, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1989926/posts, http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/oct/07/hillsong-pastor-brian-houston-found-fathers-sex-abuse-confession-agonising, http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-07/royal-commission-child-sexual-abuse-investigates-hillsong/5795308, http://www.nancyalcorn.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=21, http://nativenewsonline.net/currents/the-dilemma-of-the-fourth-of-july/, http://www.smh.com.au/national/hillsong-conference-shows-interview-with-controversial-us-pastor-mark-driscoll-20150630-gi1y6d.html, http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2015/june/distraction-down-under-hillsong-mark-driscoll-conference.html, In reply to forgiven-to-be-forgiving . https://musingsfromunderthebus.wordpress.com/2015/02/13/mars-hill-church-true-religion-does-not-abandon-orphans-and-widows-in-their-distress/. How can a reasonable person look past that? . His most shocking was when just before he stepped down from the pulpit and was in the midst of many scandals, he did a sermon on the many mistakes of Jesus. There is a distinct period of time that must pass before you can really objectively address the damage that that place does. I have to disagree Gus considering you mentioned brain cells. I know the utter devastation that these cults can wreak on their members. Or (referring to Joseph) how to achieve your dreams. Thanks for that recommendation. Not here to argue about this, just pointing it out. he sees God. no., Thats the crux of the message, isnt it? Thats why I would use a better example: If you knew that someone is a recovering alcoholic, would you employ him as a barkeeper? Please call upon Jesus today, you will be very glad you did! The City of Ozark has an established process in place to investigate, enforce, and educate violators of the ordinance, the department said before stating that it does not condone the flouting of health mandates. I asked people who were about as famous (if that is what you call it) as him what they thought. Or is it just a GW thing? I believe these churches are using Driscoll as fallen pastor insurance. They noted that since the pandemic began, they have taken very stringent precautions at each service, including: take temperatures at the door, fog-sanitize their auditorium, sanitize the childrens areas and common areas multiple times daily and provide masks to everyone who attends. His auto suggestive words were a dead give away! The worship leaders are all carefully coached and choreographed on how to appear more worshipful and fake their collective ecstatic elation over being one with their maker. "This ordinance reduces freedom of religion to freedom of worship," he said. (KY3) - James River Church responded Monday to complaints after social media images show little social distancing and few masks at its Christmas celebrations. "Eastview Christian Church pastor, Mike Baker, resigns after son, Caleb Baker, is fired from Central Christian Church for adultery" Why? Is to be- Before people know it, feeling loved and valued (and not realizing it was due to preplanned manipulation) they are plugged in several days a week, basically dropping out of their non-church activities. it is heartbreaking to have to help them get through the transfer of custody until the one can get through a treatment and be able to be around the child again. It shouldnt be about raw numbers of attenders and financial statements if it is a true church. You cant speak in tongues? Jesus Church or 501(c)3 Religious business? Then I would take notice that there might be something to their repentance. Does it lie with Driscoll/Chandler or does it lie with the people whom they want to trust them? no., to forgive them prepares you to see jesus. But I did find this on the IRS website: A tax-exempt organization "may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.". I try to make sure my examples reflect current GW practice which is repellent to follow but important that people understand the stuff that I am posting is happening in real time. CCHD has been in contact with the City of Ozark, where the venue is located and where there is a current masking ordinance in place. if mark is truly repentant than this sermon is him explaining how he persecuted and publicly stoned stephen to death which was actually mark stoning Jesus to death publicly and with no remorse. The point of closed systems is to keep them closed. Thanks for sharing your answer Lydia. In case this was not a rhetorical question, the correct answer is entertainment. It is deceiving men so they will be more inclined to pay those 500+ employees their hundred thousand dollar pay packages. Actually are pews still in general use? So now is the time ta share with kind folks the destination of their eternal soul? He had no idea. . I hope you dont write off church altogether. Thats an interesting thought. perhaps, assuming cunning strategy on the part of MD and Mark Demoss: *this sector of christainworld is the path of least resistance (especially since from others comments the YRR/reformed world has disowned him). It was really bad, disastrous I might even say. http://mercysurvivors.com/2014/03/06/mercy-ministries-peru-309k-and-no-cherry/#more-1348. I read your comment and have thought about this a lot. Here is the gist of Driscolls message: its all about me and Im a martyr for the faith!, Same old Driscoll, full of male bovine meadow muffins. . If any blogger made such a vague blanket statement as this theyd be called out immediately. Feel sorry for him instead as a burned out shell without compassion. There were a number of other worship songs that roll on after this one, if these are your taste. But forgiveness doesnt mean he should ever be in the same position in a church again. You sure would think so, but to quote H.L. Lydia on Sat Jun 13, 2015 at 12:48 Visitors are given special parking spaces, valets to accommodate them, some mega even have special VIP seating. (figuratively)) Later he show us all how it was done. In his sermon, Lindell cites several verses to make his No. BTW they didnt have a head worship pastor. Somebody cited a study that the most common characteristic of a Sociopath (well over 90%) was successfully Playing the Victim Card when caught. 13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err. https://musingsfromunderthebus.wordpress.com/. Its much harder to leave that way. At his height of fame Driscoll was the bad boy of the Christian world. Internet users are also shielded from much of GW reality. Also it is not where you sit in rows and hear a weekly lecture. Ill be honest I dont see Christ in it. Have you not spilled all your dark secrets at Freedom Ministry? Was that MDs evil twin Dark Miscoll who said elders who disagree with him need to be put in wood chippers or that women need to bring their men to Jesus by orally servicing them every morning whether they like it or not? As I listened, I couldn't help but wonder where things stand between Mark and those he threw under the bus. Are you not voting for the candidates and issues Gateway told you to? The opposition is to Jesus. THANK YOU! -Katelyn Missouri has not limited attendance at houses of worship but has advised social distancing. Stephens, in my opinion, has gone to great lengths to keep his position on the ordinance incomprehensible. It is anguish because i love them, and see the pain of all three of them. I study a lot of the giant DFW megas but most of my data is still filtered through the Gateway lens. The Lord called to him in a vision, Ananias! Weve got enough local crazy around here, we dont need Mark Driscoll and his He-Man Woman-Hating Circus. I have learned much on this blog and often from your comments which are intelligent and insightful. i think that Jesus and God are Awesome, the only crisis i have been having is in my view of the world and the church. https://www.youtube.com/watchv=i7lv9oMjv_0&sns=em&app=desktop. I believe they were simply behaving as their normal selves. Great insight. They really believe that God has anointed the leaders to lead them. James River Church is a multi-site church that exists to impact the lives of people through relevant teaching,. where is God in all this? When I read your comment, this suddenly popped into my head. You might be onto something there Sopy. His career has been a total focus on getting his narcissistic supply. My point with Che is to draw a parallel. Ive recently read Wayne Jacobsen Finding Church, Frank Viola Finding Organic Church, Terry Stanley The way Church Was Meant To Be and found what they think the church should be an interesting concept but so far Im not convinced. Pastors that dont understand the devestation they cause by playing God in peoples lives, especially women and childrens lives, have no business calling themselves christians and certainly shouldnt be in positions where people might think they are speaking for God Himself when they tell them how to live. But the attempt was cut short Sunday when Hillsong, one of the most influential international megachurches, cut him from the speaker list at its upcoming conferences in the United Kingdom and in Australia. Even if youre looking at Christianity from a strictly business like mindset, I dont see how its good marketing or profitable to do the sexist shtick. This is either a complete falsehood or shows their utter lack of interest in the facts, because, as HUG so aptly quotes GK Chesterton, and let me paraphrase her, celebrity pastor unto celebrity pastor is brother. Where David cut the fabric from Sauls garment in the cave, showing he could have killed Saul but didnt, reflects Gods desire that David not physically harm Saul. He has lots of pics holding impoverished babies while his own 5 kids barely saw him. If there is one thing I know it is that those around Acts 29 circles are now in Mark who? So I can see why some churches would want him on board. Mark Driscoll has shown that hes capable of inflicting a lot of damage on many people. so many for so long have used caring for others while taking funding from orphans, politicians treating everyone equally and standing by the christian forefathers etc that it actually means nothing anymore. Mark is playing the victim. Because 12 years ago Walter Salles made an awesome movie about him called The Motorcycle Diaries starring the gentle heartthrob Gael Garcia Bernal as Che. It seems like the big megas tend to adopt or embrace some of the sleazier or ungodly aspects of other churches verses the more positive programs like community services. and humility i think is something that is a mark of a true christian that cant be faked, it always looks fake when people try to do that. I wish he would try to get a corporate communications job or something though. Just typing this has made me a bit queasy. Driscoll has used this vague parallels to himself many times, framing the sermon in the context of his own life with the lives of other noble characters, most notably Jesus. pic.twitter.com/FwaVnYEZIi. This captures precisely what I have been sensing as well. Actually, they have as much as said that there is a good root (their doctrines/practices that accidentally produced some bad fruit. The 38-year-old "Tomb Raider" beauty has been fighting nonstop with Pitt over his parents' and siblings' dedication to a church with a hate-mongering pastor who rails against gays and preaches that homosexuality dishonors God. Association of Related Churches "Join us as we welcome guest speaker, Pastor Mark Driscoll, while he presents Paul the ForgivenPastor Mark Driscoll speaks from Acts 6:8-15 to discuss the importance of forgiveness in our own lives through the example of the Apostle Paul. This is not a measure of faith. I'm in on that. shuning is not always done professionally as in TVC but so often done whisperingly in churches but the effect is the same to the person shunned. Watch LIVE every Sunday at 9am, 10:45am, 12:30pm, and 7pm as well as every Wednesday at 7pm.
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