If you enjoy the forum please consider supporting it by signing up for aNES Membership The benefits pay for the membership many times over. At this point Id seriously recommend the Hybrid Trigger Mod; Neu-Trigger and Trigger Tamer are just overpriced band-aids. it even works in full-auto and burst packs (in fact, one is already installed in the famed "Die Hard" AUG, whose owner isn't afraid to shoot a unique collectible.). So, we took the trigger pack out, again, and compared the old Retaining Bold Lock. For me, further eye surgery would be needed. are they being imported? Dont forget about the CQC mod from PJS. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Post was not sent - check your email addresses! I disagree about the A3 trigger being the worst ever. I absolutely love my HTM trigger, but the lack of a bolt release pin notch does suck. The patent protection also explains how he can charge up to $60 for a cut piece of Delrin plastic. People keep asking I want a light trigger! and when I measure their trigger weights, theyre quite often in the 4 to 7 pound area. and may require hand fitting to optimize. (Suppressor and adapter manufacturer. The spring, is the primary source of force which helps prevent drop firing, also helps with trigger reset. The difference in smoothness and pull weight is amaizing from such a simple idea and costruction. It does work. AUG A3 Update: The Neu-Trigger - Random Gun Stuff No, the Trigger Tamer product is all about shooting. The Trigger Tamer came and I dropped it in. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. With the TSM the trigger is noticeably lighter (though still fairly stiff), Take-up is very small, let-off is crisp, and over-travel is about zilch! ), Except for those safe queens, every Steyr AUG and USR (and AXR and MSAR) rifle(at least those whose ownerslove themenough to shoot them)absolutely must have one of these simple, drop-in Trigger Tamer parts. Of course I got my parts about 6 years ago. The lifetime guarantee covers the original owner and any subsequent purchasers. So,I dug into the trigger pack, and after some head scratching, invented a way tocure the Steyr Aug rifle's worst flaw. The product is aptly called the Trigger Tamer, it cuts the trigger weight down by a third and smooths it out quite a bit. He sells this as the Neu-Trigger. H. Rept. 117-442 - ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN OF 2022 Again. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - AUG GUYS --- Trigger Tamer or Neu TriggerGO! They did, I got one, and its excellent; I hope to post a review soon! Best Thing I did for my AUG! I have one in my AUG and haven't encountered any issues so far, mine was purchased in 2020. by SOFREP Jan 3, 2017. Steyr AUG upgrades from ARID ( Trigger Safety Magazines Release ) ", --Mark McWillis,T.R.O.S. I was dinging a 4-inch steel plate at 250 yards with my Aimpoint H1, no magnification needed.. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. That's a pretty substantial rifle in a tiny package. Called the AUG Z SP (SP indicating its straight-pull, manual action) the rifle is radical looking to say the least. Id rather spend the rest of the money on other accessories (shell deflector, charging handle, 42rnd mags, better extractor, rail, Viridian X5L or a Surefire light) and ammo. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. At $230 (and with an ongoing waiting list) it is the most expensive AUG trigger fix I have seen, but it is also by far the best. Steyr AUG Review [Field Tested] - Pew Pew Tactical RAT WORX Hybrid Trigger Mod: The Best AUG Trigger. I have an AUG. ", "It's Awesome! Can you link that trigger tamer? Another difference in the two apps is that the Misophonia Trigger Tamer only allows audio recordings for the positive stimulus playlist, but the Visual Trigger . You are the boss. Would it be safe to use the Neu-Trigger and Trigger Tamer together? I was looking for some specific information on my AUG (cant remember what) and I ran across this; Skip it and wait for the Ratworx improved trigger group that is being released in the next few weeks! That means an even smoother take-down action than before. Committee Consideration On July 20, 2022, the Committee met in open session and ordered the bill, H.R. The pin would have to come out of the A3 pack anyway. 2) There actual slack the trigger was moving back and forth about 5 mm. (Ok, maybe there are sweeter custom triggers on target rifles, but I guarantee that you will agree that yourAUG trigger will go from "stinky" to "darn good."). I've decided on a NEU trigger and have now tried contacting the NEU trigger guy several times via email, no response. I was dinging a 4-inch steel plate at 250 yards with my Aimpoint H1, no magnification needed. My name is on the list. 17 0 0. B2k4E: The new Ratworx hammer packs are not out yet so I don't know the price. Which is why I suggest going with the 2020. I came across one gun forum where they claimed the people from Trigger Tammer had threatened legal action for bad-mouthing their product. The AUG has a notoriously bad trigger. I was able to greatly reduce the size of my groups. 3) (This is just speculation) to get a lighter trigger pull the tamer relieves some of the spring tension in the hammer, I do not like the possibility of light primer strikes. I am currently trying to hunt one down to play with, I admit I have only been able to handle them. New AUG's upper receiver has interchangeable rail/factory optics. [Also, the receiver doesnt stay open after the last shot, but thats a minor irritant IMO.]. Many military rifles (inc. the Garand, M14/M1A, etc) tend to have triggers in the 9# region. At this point I am hoping for someone to bring to market: [2012 Update: For the best trigger improvement see the new RAT WORX Hybrid Trigger Mod. This is 100% fact. It defines a Great Trigger. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. At 200 yards with my Eotech (no magnification) with the center 1 MOA dot I can hit (supported) a 810 IPSC steel target on a regular basis. With that in mind Im leaning towards the trigger tamer for the reduced pull as it feels fairly smooth as is. Ease of insertion: Yuck. And this unique device has received US Patent Number 7,165,352. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Full Member. I tried that but the benefit didnt seem to be as great as the sum of the parts. Thank you, Trigger Tamer, for literally making me able to truly enjoy my AUG". The crap triggers shipped with tacti-kewl guns created an entire business for Geissele. After installing the Trigger Tammer (took about 30 minutes to figure out and install), we found that the hinge pin would not stay locked. The test usually results in the destruction of the stock, without discharging the weapon, therefore, we have not ventured to accomplish the testing for fear of destroying our own samples of the AUG.The ARID Trigger is however Drop Safe with the weapon ON SAFE, with a Steyr OEM trigger pack. I just put it right in my MSAR and took it for testing. Movie Review: The Purge: Anarchy [Spoiler Alert!]. I want to retain the original trigger pack, plus it is a cheaper band aid than getting the rat worx trigger pack. They're bothattractive until you learn their real flaws. While I don't mind the trigger to much, and frankly haven't used enough precision guns to even know what the hell a great trigger is, I still figured I'd address it and see if I can make it a little more crisp. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. Aug and insert a Trigger Tamer. Now that the charging handle and trigger are overcome the AUG has attained bullpup nirvana. Please contact us at anytime if you have questions or need assistance.WARNING: This product may contain chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Gives the Aug A3 a quad rail and makes it extra sexy to boot. 4oz over 10 pulls with a digital Lyman gauge. Steyr AUG - Bullpup Armory The AUG is fairly exotic and therefore has about as much aftermarket support as a Tesla. The Neutrigger does not shorten the take-up. Good job! We use the trigger as a feeler guage to find the "high points" in the trigger channel, and then use a file, sand paperor putty knife to gently remove small, incremental amounts of stock or trigger material from these high points, testing fit until the trigger can freely drop in and properly track inside the stock. Did I tell you yet? A few years ago Ben Langlotz realized that you can lighten the Trigger Spring by reducing the installed tension. I am very hopeful I can get my hands on one. There is really no creep, a crisp break, but a heavy pull. . SPEAK SOFTLY, BUT CARRY A BIG PATENT - The Gun Patent Attorney Well with the investment of about $100 both of these problems have been completely eradicated . With the Gear Head Works charging handle all the optics in the world are now open to me. Before you bought the 2020 did you try out Neu Trigger or the other one? A great rifle with a lousy trigger is like a pretty galwho's missing a front tooth. I just Dremeled down the two ribs in the A3 pack, and the HTM now has a new home. Steyr did not consider it worthwhile to create a smoother or lighter trigger for their semi-automatic-only trigger packs. I will explain the origin of the AUGs bad trigger as well as steps that can be taken to improve it. The opinions expressed through this video are the opinions of the individual author. The Steyr drop safe test is destructive in nature, where the AUG rifle is loaded with a blank, dropped from prescribed height, OFF SAFE, onto the nose of the rifle,and expected to not fire. He was a hobbyist who had come up with a way that was different from my Trigger Tamer device to reduce the AUG trigger weight. Thanks for proving my point. Unable to find a lighter spring, I realized that that trigger spring just needed to be relaxed a bit. Typical bullpup trigger but it improves significantly w/use and the AUG Trigger Tamer is available as well. lol Fun to shoot. The SSA-E trigger in a AR is the best non-precision rifle trigger I have every used. The patent was written by a prominent gun patent attorney, who specializes in gun patents and gun trademarks, . Do you have any idea if this was a certain lot/batch or if something changed from a certain date moving forward? This is awful for accuracy. I've tried other Augs with absolutely terrible triggers.Anyone else have this experience? I love my aimpoints, but even going with 2MOA, my eyes make a bloom effect that nearly covers about half a 8 steel plate at 100 yards and completely obscure it at 200 yards. . I suppose you might also use the original pull weight if you were going on patrol through heavy brush, or in any other circumstance away from a controlled shooting range, or where the trigger might accidentally be contacted. RAT WORX made the clever design decision to build this upgrade around a standard AR-15 trigger group, which they suggest will allow users to tap the extensive market for AR-15 parts to further customize it. I just retried my AUG USR trigger (its been a while). Be sure to enter theNES/MFS March Giveaway ***Taurus G3c***. The combination would create excessive sear engagement. AUG and MSAR Trigger Improvements | David Bookstaber Who knows, maybe it would even hold its own on the 500 yard range too? Review: Trigger Tammer for the Steyr AUG or USR. I got the Neu-Trigger and it works great. I am sure this is a great safety feature for Joe Troop, in the field, but it sucked for me and makes it real tough to be accurate. If they can make the triggers in their bull-pup precision rifles (I dare say) as good as most any standard trigger, I think theyll be able to make the best bull-pup carbine trigger, full-stop. The materials Shown here @ TnSteyr Including any Part's show, episode, guest appearance, etc. Wrestling with a long, heavy pull does nothing for accuracy, let alone the pleasure of shooting an otherwise great rifle. If you're interested in purchasing ARID parts for LEO, OGA, and online/physical store use, contact us at arid.coms@gmail.com. We do not Assist In any illegal action or building of nfa items We support Legal builds and ownership and ownership to continue advancing 2A rights. But the AUG isn't a bench gun, and this is a big deal. OK, I would love to get people's opinion on the best option between Neu Trugger and Trigger Tamer. Namely the charging handles profile and the horrid awful rotten terrible trigger. . The product is definitely worth the price. Also, the Trigger Tammer website does have better detail on the installation process. The Austrians were never commies. We work to find the ammunition that our guns like best, don't we? AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. As you can imagine, a 3 Lbs trigger is not safe but it is possible. Neu-Trigger - supposedly reduces the trigger by 2lbs, makes it smoother/lighter. I calculated what it would take to reduce the spring tension by about one-third, and designed a drop-in part with a notch in just the right spot. Fantastic rifle! Sweet, so now for 100 bucks more I can make my Steyr as good as a stock Tavoror not. "Great product. If you cant wait for the HTM then, especially given that youre not feeling sticking or stacking, Trigger Tamer is your best option. The sample Trigger Tamer I received had a rough finish and was unable to return the Bolt Retaining Lock under so little spring force until I sanded both sides smooth with 400-grit paper. If you are . #aug #steyraug #ARID Today's Video is about :Armament Research & Industrial Design New STEYR AUG COMPONENTS Full install and technical walk through about ea. Well, I am no longer on the fence. Founded in 2020, ARID Concepts is an organization dedicated to the comprehensive engineering and industrial design of armament technology. This was done on purpose to ensure the AUG had AK type qualities for loose tolerances to allow draining of the stock body. After a web search, I decided on the $60.00 Trigger Tamer, found at http://www.triggertamer.com/. All Rights Reserved. The Trigger Tamer works well, but the 2020 Precision Trigger Sear makes the trigger basically match-grade. Most peoples perceptions of what constitutes a bad trigger has to do with the tactile feedback theyre getting as they pull, the length of the pull, the amount of overtravel, etc. What do you think? But before I tell you about that, I must tell you about an email I just got from one of our newest customers. what about 922r? Shooters will feel quite a difference from the factory set pull. The hard part of hitting it..is actually seeing it after the white spray paint is blasted off of it and its just grey metal against whatever background 200 yards out. Great for 50 yards all day long. The black stock is all polymer and includes the large, all-in-one trigger guard. Curious as to your thoughts. The Steyr AUG (Armee-Universal-Gewehr) began development in the late 1960s as a replacement for the StG 58, a licensed produced FN-FAL. There are too many variables to install, calibration, and performance using a combined assembly of multiple modified parts to determine mechanical safety factors of drop safe performance. Its proof that bullpups dont have to have bad triggers like people say the existing bullpups just come from the factory with bad triggers for some reason. After I installed the Trigger Tamer in my AUG the trigger pull was more than 3 pounds lighter, going from about 9 pounds to under 6. Good news for youthe AUG A3 is made in the USA! He invented a clever device called the Trigger Tamer that replaces the standard Bolt Retaining Lock (Part 12) and engages the Trigger Spring at a higher angle. I saw those trigger packs they were selling in Steyr webpage and they were pricey! I Have Neu-Triggers in both my E4 and love them. The gun is really just a range toy. I just got my two 20/20 units from Ratworx in two days. I also looked at the trigger tamer but ended up getting the Rat Worx sear. What are my options for an upgraded trigger? : r/AUG - reddit I would rather have a tight/clean 9lb trigger than a loose/slacky 5lb trigger. The era of every best thing being from America has long passed if it ever even existed. While these only reduce the trigger weight by a few ounces he claims they substantially smooth out the trigger action. A friend of mine spotted his "market research . With this trigger I finally feel confident shooting my MSAR against standard AR-15s. If I like it I will buy another and have 3 stock hammer packs for a backup. We are absolutely pleased with this design, and we're happy to finally offer it to the public.Disclaimer:The ARID Trigger is not drop safe per Steyr AUS standards for drop testing. Feb 28, 2006 2,187 7 NOVA . You can really get rocking and rolling with it. And there is no comparison. I installed it in an AUG AR15mag stock upgrade, so I was able to keep an original trigger set up for comparison. If you can find one of these (https://www.ratworxusa.com/?q=node/113) it will blow you away. PS. Joined Aug 10, 2012 Messages 550 Likes 106. . Nominally that doesnt sound any better than what I found with the Trigger Tamer. Its as safe as either of them separately. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. just like a Glock. Is the 20/20 precision trigger sear mod by ratworx worth it? : r/AUG Matt cut and bent a small tab of thin steel to wrap around the sear, producing a metal-on-plastic interface at this high-pressure sticking point. By purchasing this part, you assume responsibility for the proper installation, use and maintenance of your AUG trigger assembly, and will not hold ARID LLC responsible for performance and/or safetyissues reasonably precipitated by negligence, irresponsible handling, on/off safe use, or user error during install, calibration, modifcation, and use with OEM or Modified Steyr AUG trigger packs.We recommend following established weapon safety rules, maintaining positive control of your weapon, and to keep the weapon on safe until you are ready to fire.We want AUG users that purchase these modules to have the best possible experience, and so we offer customer service, install services and armorer services/advice. Do this at your own risk! So can I use the 20/20 pack AND Neu Trigger together? - AR-15 "The main reason I didn't used to like to shoot my AUG was that it would not put the bullets where I wanted, because pulling the heavy trigger was totally unpleasant. You also control how often you hear a trigger. Do you have plans to review the FS2000? Also recommend adding a Neu-Trigger to the AUG as its about $30 and makes the factory trigger that much nicer. I was only able to accurately measure the charging weight for the HTM, the other two modules exceeded the 25lb max on the Timney gage. If you shoot your AUG you should get this trigger pack. I must be real lucky. See note at the bottom of this page ***Contents:1x Improved Trigger Module1x Improved Safety Module1x 10-32 Machine Screw1x 1/4-20 Set Screw1x 1/4-20 Ball Set . #tnsteyr #steyraug #Stg77 Today's Video is about : A continuation in the steyr AUG disassemble and reassembly along with modifying and adjusting your intern. Becausewe want to squeeze every bit of performance we can get out ofour rifle. The Misophonia Trigger Tamer has a recorder and good sound editor built into it, but for the Visual Trigger Tamer, you will need to use other programs to record and edit your triggers. The original AUG was an infantry rifle with a clever select-fire mechanism: Pull the trigger partly to the rear for a single shot. This trigger fix is the lightest on the market to date and does not modify any item on the firearm. To bad the hammer drops if you do the bump test on the ground. http://emptormaven.com/2011/03/aug-and-msar-trigger-improvements/. For this feature to be reliable in the field the AUG was designed with a long and heavy trigger to avoid unintentional full-auto discharges. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. So to address the first issue I got a new charging handle that sits at a different angle and allows me to mount whichever optic I so choose without the fear of losing all the skin on my knuckles. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. Now, for about the cost of a spare magazine, you cangain enhanced accuracy, shot-after-shot, for the life of the rifle. The Steyr drop safe test is destructive in nature, where the AUG rifle is loaded with a blank, dropped from prescribed height, OFF SAFE, onto the nose of the rifle,and expected to not fire. Andthis unique devicehas received US Patent Number 7,165,352. I wouldn't do both, personally. Trigger Tamer - Improves your AUG trigger - A lighter and smoother Because it is not drop safe. And I suppose if you were issuing your favorite rifle to green troops, or dropping it from a helicopter,you might take such precautions. Of the two, the Trigger tamer increases the hazard margins more than the 2020, since the 2020 doesn't mess with the k*x relationship of the main spring. And the RatWorx metal sear mod thingy (RAT WORX USA). There is always a flyer when using plinking ammo. MSAR STG: 8.5 Lbs dropped to 6.25 Lbs again, remarkably smoother pull. The lighter weight of the trigger tamer did help with the break; take up was long and gritty. I am fifty and my eyes are just starting to lose their ability to read really small print. If you shoot your AUG you should get this trigger pack. Please, if you have any questions, comments, or inquiries for us, use the "Contact Us" portion of the website! Steyr AUG A3 Review - Firearms News Don't quote me on this as I am getting the info third or fourth hand but sources are supposidly very reliable and have actually tried the new pack.
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