If you think about it, a flatter lie would be toe down for your swing. Seems that the article could have suggested that for higher swing speed players, the stronger lofts and COG location is necessary to not have the ball shoot straight up. sorry, didnt mean increase loft. I meant decrease loft and make stronger. 5-G The refit yielded a super driving iron. If a golfer was a digger, will he/she still get somewhat better turf interaction with the GI irons vs. with a players irons? Backups:Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. Callaway 2018 MB irons Bending 716MB irons 1 or 2 degrees strong - Team Titleist TM TPx. Copyright 2020 GolfWRX Holdings, LLC. While golf club manufacturers certainly try to make a consistent product, there are often inconsistencies in the lofts and lies of the clubs and they may not be progressively consistent from one club to another. The loft difference in the AP2 7 iron and AP3 6 iron is 6 degrees apart. Couldn't agree more with your entire post. Balls: Chrome Soft, Kirkland Signature 3pc, Srixon Q Star Tour, Grip preference: various GripMaster leather options. Good luck! I've had plenty of clubs bent a degree or two and never had an issue with how the clubs performed, even a wedge. For this discussion, lets define proficiency as the level where you can reasonably expect to move the ball around the course efficiently and consistently enough to shoot 90 or better, though your own goals might be somewhere lower. Ordering & Information There is no question that golf is one of the hardest, if not the hardest, games in which to become reasonably proficient. Your previous content has been restored. Now I learned to shape the flight high and low at any given moment. Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). Well-regarded at home, he mixed his time in junior golf with the likes of Min Woo Lee and Curtis Luck, during which he finishedrunner-up at The Players Amateur before winning the elite Porter Cup and being part of the victorious three-man Australian team at the Eisenhower Trophy, played partly at El Chamaleon, scene of the Mayokaba events on the PGA Tour. How Bryson DeChambeau's Ping irons came to life | Wall-to-Wall IG: golfer_scott Upload or insert images from URL. Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). Loft is used to get the irons back to the proper launch window. After this long introduction, Nick keep preaching this gospel. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. Your email address will not be published. Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. Ping G410 LST 3 Wood Oban Tour Prototype V430 Bending TM P790 irons up to 2 degrees weaker. Is it safe? Good idea? (more on this down below). I created this website after hearing the same questions from my students over and over as a place where new golfers can come to learn and improve their golf game. The G30 is a high-launching game improvement design. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. Driver: Charles Kelley whats in the bag accurate as of the Pebble Beach Pro-Am. Well gee, I guess if you cant get a 7 iron in the air, you really do need some help haha. Titleist 818 H1 19 HybridMiura CB-57 4-PW If you're after a driving iron, I would expect you to use it off the tee for the most part. I was being fitted for MP-4's and the ball flight with the kbs tour x was a little higher than i wanted so my fitter was able to bend it strong incrementally by 1 degree to flatten out the ball flight for me. Brent Grant always brings the energy ?? As club fitters, you have to find the balance between measurable results and what the customer THINKS is happening. Great article! So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. I am constantly amazed at how many golfers are trying to play the game with a fundamentally unsound hold of the club. Lofts don't always come in 4-degree increments. An Aussie with a residence in Scottsdale, playing on a windy coastal track this is a great chance. Compare that with 49-year-old Atwal, with a best of 49th place since 2021 and an average first-round placing of around 120th for his three starts in 2023, and Scott Brown, admittedly a former winner here, but now 719th in the world and who has, since September, withdrawn twice during tournaments, and missed his last two cuts (Pebble and Honda) ranking 99th and 136th for his first round he certainly looks wrong in every way. We dont stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.. 10.5 set at small - Ping G30 irons w/Recoil 95 It is amazing how much higher/lower similar irons can perform, in terms of player level. I am a good long iron player and prefer them over fairway woods and especially hybrids. He is also 1 of 33 TrackMan Masters in the world, and has completed thousands of successful fittings using TrackMan. * MD4 54/10 S-Grind replacedMD3 54/12 W-Grind. Add loft for distance?????? What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? All very well getting consistent loft gaps if your distance gaps are varied. I know its different for each golfer depending on their individual characteristics but do you have rough numbers (for iron set) to be looking for in terms of launch angle, spin rate etc. - Chick Evans, Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons, Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper, I will add a little to what was posted above. The Wedge Guy: What really makes a wedge work. If you have any doubt about the hand position, think of this scenario. In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. All Rights Reserved. I highly recommend that golfers get fitted before making a large purchase on golf clubs. With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. . The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? Now as lower handicappers, we will probably not have our hands at impact fluctuating 3, 4 or 6 inches, but I would not say mine are within an inch of exactly the same place every time. would 2 degrees be too much and change the club's characteristics too much? It will reduce the bounce of the club, but the actual effect will depend on your swing path. Pasted as rich text. One good example comes to mind. In the five starts mentioned above, the St. Simons resident has some impressive first round finishes. Well this article outlines a variety of statistics which will help you pinpoint which areas of the game you are above or below average. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid And provided the hosel of the wood is long enough to allow the bending bar to fit over its length, metal woods can be bent to custom-fit a player. Sure. Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. I did this to reduce the spin rate. Guess I dont get it. 4-6 more yards (depending on club and swing speed) and lower launch with less bounce. Clear editor. Still many worries about bending lofts due to bounce changes, and many also thinkthat shafts can lift or lower ball flight by changing dynamic loft, but without anything happening to bounce, but that cant be prevented, bounce always follows loft no matter if loft was changed due to bending, angle of attack, or adifferent shaft, all 3 scenarios has the same changes. Not every iron or wedge can be bent. I have a 17-degree 4-wood, a 21-degree hybrid, a 26-degree hybrid, and a 29-degree iron as my longer (non-driver) clubs. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. After the back-to-back top-25s, he was a sneaky play at a long price for the Honda, but was never comfortable, withdrawing during the event with sinus issues. How Much Does 1 Degree of Loft Affect Distance? Step 1 for those golfers is to increase ball speed. Played a mp30 2i for most of the year as a gap from my 3i to my 3 wood. The MB and CB clubs you have need a bit more loft to get the ball launched well. I will only add that I don't see what the benefit would be to strengthening loft. Like you said, it will change the bounce but other than that, it wont change much and shouldnt effect the playability of the club unless you are really steep and need the bounce. This is a dumb question but were you fit for them? "If you have any doubt about the hand position, think of this scenario. Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. MyGolfSpy Forum Virtual Golf Tournaments, Forum Featured:Community Map & Course Reviews, By Titleist 818 H1 19 HybridMiura CB-57 4-PW Much of Harrison Endycotts claims were covered in the2023 Players To Followlist, but the summary is worth repeating to justify his selection this week. I reckon for every 1 degree off it takes about 250 off the spin. You must log in or register to reply here. Grant is a big-hitter off the tee, his driving distance ranking being fourth at Bermuda, 16th at the RSM and third at Pebble Beach, whilst he ranked highly for both his driving and greens during his KFT campaign. If the club has an abundance of bounce and/or a rounded leading edge, reducing bounce by 2* might not matter. Generally bending lofts on irons unless you are tweaking them to even out a gap. It depends on several factors including as mentioned above how steep your swing is and if you are a "digger" or "picker". Should I have my new 3-Iron Bent 1 Degree Strong? Pasted as rich text. If your intent is to modify them by making them one degree strong, you will be changing the play of the iron, and also the physical appearance possible (could be debatable if the human eye can tell one degree, I'm not sure since I have never had to do this to any of my sets.). Can I bend my irons strong? - Golf Clubs - Team Titleist Your link has been automatically embedded. I have been reading that the more offset you add it will end up more of a hook shot. In fact, a sound, fundamental hold on the club is the first step in setting up for a technically sound golf swing. Espana. I would be using it off the ground as well, a little of both. Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell Club fitters are able to bend clubs to increase or decrease the lie angle using a loft, lie bending machine. Older irons can be bent to achieve better gaping and additional distance, but the distance increases will be very small. Thank you for such an eye opening article. Typical launch angle would improve from 13-14* to 17-18*. Not only does it mess with the bounce/offset, but it's only a number on the sole if the club. TM TP UDi #1 w/ Diamana We have seen significant distance improvements with all 3 of these irons, it just needs to match up with how you launch the ball. Watch this great video here if you are curious on how to bend the lie angle of a club using a loft/lie machine: Impact tape is a tape that a club fitter places on the face of the golf club that creates marks of where the golfer struck the ball on the clubface. for the better golfer, these lofts leave nothing at the bottom of the bag. If you are taking big divots with a 2 iron you have some serious problems with your swing. The main reason it is done on GolfWRX is so people can brag how far they hit their irons, generally with a passive brag. Step 3. Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5, Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. It is a lot easier to find what lie angle you need in your golf clubs and purchase a set rather than have to individually bend each club. By setting up with the ball 1" farther back in your stance, and all other things being exactly the same you are delofting the club by 1.6* based on the average length club.. I am glad you mentioned shaft length, static lengths for GI clubs, how it impacts flight, etc. Im also adding a 5 wood to the bag and changing to a 54/60 wedge set-up.