Animals would have for sure. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. Probably by the jeans and the boots. At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. I dont think so. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Mr. Said harbored his father, Yaser, inside an apartment in Bedford, Texas, where a maintenance worker spotted Yaser on Aug. 14, 2017. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? Feb 7, 2017 Patricia A. Giddings, seated beside Keeseville-based attorney Jacob Painter in Clinton County Court on Tuesday, spoke only to affirm she understood the proceedings. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. Because of these two prior offences, Patricia was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole under Californias Three Strikes Law. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. Liesbeth Powers/The Patricia Although I would have liked it to be death! The evidence was all there. Flaw in reasoning. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. Or to keep it anonymous, click here. According to Marsicovetere, state programs should be focused on intervening to help those with mental illnesses at the earliest point possible. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. Yaser Said was arrested Aug. 26 after authorities searched the Justin home. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. Allen Prue maintains that he is innocent, and he has appealed his conviction to the Vermont Supreme Court. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Jerry Browns office. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. When she was there, she refused to discuss her private life or where she came from.. Your email address will not be published. A Texas father one of the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives wanted for the slayings of his two teen daughters was busted after more than 12 years on the run, the federal law enforcement agency announced. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. Patricia Patricia Wrights brother, Larry Wright, 47, and her neighbor, Janet Marcelin, 55, both testified that Patricia Wright and Lawrence Slaughter committed the murder but recanted their testimony after Patricia was sentenced to life without possibility of parole. There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. I really never thought of it again.. Not everything is a conspiracy. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. Patricia Prue's lawyer Brian Marsicovetere told the court on Friday that his client was "severely mentally ill," and that the case should be used as an example for why the state should focus on developing a strong mental health system. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. What a contrived case! DNA also doesnt lie. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! . Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. Conflicting versions. And Patricia did live in another state. It was Patricias hair no question. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. I hope she rots in hell. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. Nine. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours from Riverside to Los Angeles and sit in court all day, Patricia said. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. They were people that knew her, not Andrew. Roughly nine months ago, Interpol contacted the police department that kept her file open. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. "If she could do that as a woman, my God.". Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. Youll have to make do with what you see here. The jury deliberated for three hours after Thursday's closing arguments. You people are fighting a losing cause! She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. . They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. Keep up your delusions. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Thank you Kerry. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. Lawyers pleaded their cases in closing arguments to 12 jurors and three alternates for nearly two hours Tuesday morning. (Nope. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? Marcelin said the detectives, referring to Patricia Wright, asked, Dont you want that [expletive] off the street?. Amina Said Mother Patricia Owens Said Charged With She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? Patricia and Mark McCloskey, the St. Louis homeowners who pointed guns at protesters, pleaded not guilty Wednesday to weapons and evidence tampering charges. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? It's been a long three years for them.". Said Patricia Owens, Said As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. "The family has been very patient. I think shes guilty for sure. WebHis ex-wife and the mother of the teens, Patricia Owens, watched Said as the judge sentenced him. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. 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I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or emurray@freepressmedia.com. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! Or did they? pTq r |G.H=IO-I7`,|&m2tj1Lo;{~}squ_~zpMq7 Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. We didnt expect it. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. Omg so well put! They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. There are innocent people in prison. She hadn't lived long enough.". A Texas man who carried out the mass shooting at the Cielo Vista Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3, 2019, killing 23 people and injuring 22 more, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court to a 90-count indictment, including 45 counts of violating the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. Patricia Cole, a veteran copy editor whose sharp eye, quick wit and kind heart made her a cherished colleague at NPR and other news outlets, died on Friday at age 46, Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. Patricia Wright is a prisoner in Central California Womens Facilitys Nursing Unit coping with an extraordinary array of challenges. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. Whatever the truth is. Why wouldnt they let any of her witnesses testify? No explanation given. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. The men harbored Yaser Said inside an apartment in Bedford, according to court documents, and he was nearly captured after a maintenance worker spotted him in August 2017. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. We really thought she was dead all those years. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? It seems so, according to you. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. You seem to have a fragile ego. Jenkins was a teacher at St. Johnsbury Academy. According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. Patricia And Mark McCloskey Who Waved Guns At BLM Protesters The trial was taking so much of my time. Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. Was Amina Said Mother Patricia Owens Said Charged With Murder? Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. We lived close to one another. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. She should have received the death penalty imo. So the issue that he was picking up men in downtown Los Angeles was irrelevant to the case although that couldve been a lead to the killer. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. They are total bs. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. Puny policy. When they were getting ready to drive away, a police car pulled up behind them and checked their car. Police were led to the Prues by a business card found in Jenkins' home for Allen Prue's snow-plow business and a report that the Prues had called Jenkins about trouble with their vehicle. According to the autopsy report, Patricias husband, Jerome Scott, had only a few months to live because of a health problem involving a bloodless liver and pancreatic fibrosis. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. It was like living in your room and getting to go to your kitchen for one hour a day, remembers Larry Wright. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. "I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. I finally had to stop reading this stupid article. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. And I hope I can get down to see her., Were very thankful to know that Patty is alive and well, Smith added. Combination locks. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. Thats my life.. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. Arrest mother as accomplice in Texas honor killing | Fox News I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. Patricia complied fully with the original investigation of the crime and wasnt a suspect because none of the blood or fingerprints found at the crime scene matched hers. And shes were so happy. Still, no good leads materialized. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. Youre absolutely right!! And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. I agree. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. Gail Gattrell, the sisters great-aunt, described the deaths as an honor killing which are often carried about by a relative who believes a woman went against conservative Islamic values on love or marriage. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. Why not question some of this evidence? No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. After the guilty verdict was pronounced, the defense learned that a report from a state psychologist was not given to the jury. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. If the answer is no, enough said! 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. 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In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. "As horrible as Ms. Jenkins death was, it should stand for something," Marsicovetere said. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. False. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment!